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2nd and 3rd Poles

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Schematic: Op_Amp_fp23.asc
Open Loop Sch: Op_Amp_fp23 - OL.asc
Op Amp Symbol: Opamp_4.asy
Op Amp Shematic: Opamp_4.asc
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Intro Early on I was surprised to see some op amps would overshoot and ring, even with NO significant load or stray capacitance. What's going on here?

Although op amps have an internal on-purpose 1st pole (low-pass filter), most devices have several unwanted higher frequency poles due to parasitic capacitances of internal transistors. How do these affect your circuit? Additional poles cause Negative Phase-Shifts (Time-Delays) which push the op amp's control loop toward INSTABILITY!
Definitions fp23 - The 2nd and 3rd pole frequencies.
• For convenience in the SPICE model, both poles are defined at the same frequency.
• Typically, the fp23 poles are located at 2 to 5 times above fu.

Unfortunately, you WON'T find the fp23 poles on the op amp datasheet. However, you'll see their impact on the Phase Margin - which you can read from the Open-Loop Gain plot (see below).
Design Goal A stable amplifier output (minimial overshoot and ringing).
Design Spec Overshoot < 10% given a 0.1V step voltage input.

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Step Response Phase (deg)
Oscillations - UNSTABLE -360 (or 0)
40% Overshoot -330 (or +30)
25% Overshoot -315 (or +45)
10% Overshoot -300 (or +60)
No Overshoot - Optimal Response --270 (or +90)

 

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